" You notice that only Wallace Senior is the one being interviewed by the paper and none of the other parties were. Maybe he is cashing in on his "celberty" status. So who is abusing the system now. "

" Dear blackfox23, newslady is the one who stated that Stacy got his butt sevrely beat(not me) and why should Stacy go to jail? No one has answered that question yet. Stacy did not load his truck up and go over to Wallaces house and enter private property and attack Wallace! Everyone is forgetting that intersting fact. How come? Maybe if everyone yells loud enough about Stacy the fact that Wallace and his crew were the ones in the wrong this time. No one has metioned the fact that there is independent witness to the fight and the whole story has not come out. Why don't you go and ask Wallace Jr. what really happened. I know and Junior is not telling the truth, and he is letting his father be his mouth piece. Wallace Senior stated in the paper he and his family were threated by the other parties involed and their afriad. The other parties involed didn't threaten anyone. Grow up people. If you want to believe a bunch of lies go ahead. In the end, the only people looking foolish in all of this is the Wallaces. The police departments in the small town in the surrounding have to deal with drunks, domestic calls, stolen property and unfourtily, murder calls on a daily basis. Everyone has downed the Zeigler Police Department in this blog. If you don't live there you have not right to say anything. They are doing the best they can. "

" First off there is no czrpd. There are police departments for the respective towns. The officers usually work 1 at a time and their back up is usually from other surrounding towns. This is done for officer safety and public safety. If you are a victim of a crime do you want 1 man or several men looking for the assailant. Mutual aid is in fact mutual and your officer may have to help out another town at times. Thats how it works. It is real easy to blame or look down on a police officer but no one would do their job for the amount of money they make. Some people at McDonalds make more and their lives are not at risk. We ,as a community, need to pull our heads out of the sand and start looking at life in Zeigler and other small cummunities for what it is. It has the potential to be wonderful but the longer we argue for the problem people in our communities then the longer we have incidents like these going on next door to our children. We need to take responsibility for our neighborhoods and help the police to rid our communities of this sort of violent element. My children deserve to play without having to worry about being hit by a stray beer bottle or crow bar "

" Madblogger-BRAVO,BRAVO. ENCORE!!!! "

" Now here's a little story about a man named Jed,

Poor mountaineer barely kept his family fed,

Then one day when he was lookin' like a fool,

He got hit in the head with a bottle of O'doul's.

Fake Beer that is, Busch NA, near beer.

Next thing ya know Jed's loadin' up the truck

Gotta buncha kin who don't give a puck.

Got to arguin' 'bout this and that,

Next thing ya know Jed's being hit by a bat.

Jed thought it would be all good and fun,

But in his shame, he moved to Royalton

Announcer: "The Zeigler Hillbillies!"
Cue Banjo

Heh heh. I had to do it. =oP "

" are you an idiot pjbac2001?

please re-read all of newslady1's posting and realize that none of her posting are stating what you have just said.
"pjbac2001, AS I SAW (keep that in mind what i just said), stacy got his butt severely beat.
READ-->so therefore, the wallaces and the stacy boy got their "collective" butts beat.
READ-->this whole matter is redundent and should be dropped. a drunk kid ran his mouth and mr. wallace made the mistake of taking action on the matter.
READ-->so therefore, every one is at fault and no one has any right to press any charges unless both parties wish to sit in jail and/or pay large fines. "

in my opinion, it sounds like she is simply stating that this matter is lame and should be dropped from the record books. So get over it and stop ragging on her.

AND IF YOU COULD READ, HER COMMENT STATES LOUD AND CLEAR "so therefore, every one is at fault and no one has any right to press any charges unless both parties wish to sit in jail and/or pay large fines."
SO WHERE DOES THAT SAY THAT ONLY THE STACY BOY SHOULD SIT IN JAIL???

It's people like you that keep the comments train rolling. Next time, try to stop while you're ahead. "

" Dear newslady1, if Stacy got his butt beat so severly why are you complaining about it? It would seem that your saying that it's okay for the Wallace's and company to do what they want and the person on the recieving end of the fight so go to jail instead of the Wallace's. GET REAL!!! Why should Stacy go to jail? Did he go over the Wallace's and start a fight in their yard? Did he then go back with others and start other commotion? All he did was defend himself and suddenly he is the bad guy.
As for smilinbob I never said Stacy hit himself in the back of the head(please re-read), I simply asked where was the proof that Stacy threw a beer bottle at Wallace and for your informtion, WFPD has their own Central Dispatch and all calls are recorded by caller ID and tape so if Wallace tried to call then where's his proof. "

" HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! I needed a laugh tonight. I came to this forum instead of watching Jerry Springer. You Hatfields & McCoys should call Springer...take all the illiterate neighbors with ya and do us proud, ya hear? lmao "

" I am glad to see that ignorance and inbreeding is alive and well in Southern illinois! "

" And the saga continues... "

" daer newslady1 i thank god every day that i am not a wallace or a stacy. you and the wallace's are just upset because the wallace's as large as they are got their butt's kicked by a couple of skinny drunks. if it had been the other way around this wouldn't be an issue. the bottom lione is the wallaces loaded up the family and friends and went to fight and lost. if any body should be in jail it should be the wallace's epically tom wallas for bringing his young son the fight. i think dcfs should look in to the wallaces ability to taker care of their children, i mean how old is tom wallace? and he still has to have his daddy take care of him. and as for tom sr. see a shrink already! you should be mad at your son he is the reason your grandson was injured he is the one you.

p.s. if you dont like the police...move! "

" pjbac2001-testy? no not at all. i was just showing you and everyone else who cared to read about it that yes you did in fact state that stacy hit himself in the head with the bottle, trying to quote me. and as for butting out? i am family, so that absolutely will not happen.

gooddaysir-i am not laying blame for anything on the police, far from it. i know that the police have a very difficult job to do at times. i was just stating that i personally have incidents where i needed to contact the police and could not get ahold of them. it may be that frankfort is a smaller town, i dont know, but thats just the facts.

newslady1-if you feel so strongly that all the stories in the southern are REDUNDANT then why do you read it? this is america and you can spend your money on any newspaper you like! "

" pjbac2001, AS I SAW (keep that in mind what i just said), stacy got his butt severely beat. so therefore, the wallaces and the stacy boy got their "collective" butts beat.

this whole matter is redundent and should be dropped. a drunk kid ran his mouth and mr. wallace made the mistake of taking action on the matter.

so therefore, every one is at fault and no one has any right to press any charges unless both parties wish to sit in jail and/or pay large fines.

this story is a waste of space on the southern just like almost every other story.

AND GO AHEAD AND DELETE THIS USER NAME, I WILL JUST MAKE ANOTHER SINCE THIS PAPER DOESNT BELIEVE IN THE FREEDOM OF SPEECH. "

" Dear gooddaysir, you are so right. I lived in Zeigler for a few years and never had a problem with the police. I lived in Royalton and never had a problem with the police either. All this commanion just because 4 or 5 people where in a fight, got their collective butts kicked, and now are crying about to anyone who will listen. "

" Hey newslady1, the reason I started to respond to any of the comments is that some of the facts were incorrect and that everyone assumed that the others involved were Stacy family members. No one asked if they were, just automactily figured that. Family sticks together and my family comes first. So you know the ones in involved. Were you there? As for white trash, you posted a comment back, I stand up for my family, no matter what!! "

" Isn't it amazing that when somebody doesn't get their way they blame the police, the police are not at fault here they have a job to do and do it to the best of their ability, for those of you that have never been police officers this is something you will never understand, I was a police officer for many years and its even tougher to police a small town because usually their is only one police officer on duty at the time. Always remember their are two sides to every story but the police are not the ones that should have the finger of blame pointing at them. And most people know that city councils and mayors do not make the decisons regarding the law that is the job of the States Attorney. "

" Come on Smilin Bob, getting a litle testy? When you were talking about the relatives you allued to the other side, so that was why I answered your comment. As for reading and writing, I am proficent in both. Spelling no, content yes. Are you member of either family, if no, then butt out. It seems everyone has an opinion. As for newlady1, just because you got a copy of the police report(which by the way are public record) doesn't mean a thing. No one said Stacy was not drunk, just that he recieved injuries from the fight and being hit by the car(witnessed by an indendpent source). Everyone is soooo upset that the Wallaces were hurt and no one arrested. If anyone else had done that someone would still be in jail. Wallace Sr. needs to stay out of it and stop playing to the newspapers and his "supporters" need to stay out too. Now if Wallaces can have their "supporters" then so can the other people including Stacy. If you go back to the site of an acretattion with someone who claim is drunk, what do you expect? As for Stacy doing all the hitting? Get real. Stacy had just as many bumps and brusies as the Wallaces. Did he throw himself on the ground and beat himself up? So maybe all involved were in the wrong. My only complaint is that everyone is acting like the Wallaces are totally innocent in this whole thing. "

" well to answer your question with a question, why the hell would you be drunk sitting in zeigler yelling obsenities to the passing cars???

do you think that maybe the stacy boy instigated the event and the wallaces just made a wrong decision to go back??

and as for you being a family member of one of the parties involved, this isnt something to really air to the public. that is something white trash would do and family members should stick together and keep family matters to themselves. "

" I have lived in Zeigler for almost 20 years. I have had to contact the police on one occasion in all of that time and it was for a prowler in my yard. The police arrived in a timely manner and continued through the night to drive by my house. I see them driving the street in town keeping an eye on all of the citizens. I see them pulling over speeders to keep our streets safe. The police cars are clean and the officers I have ran into in Casey's or Huck's have been polite to me even though they don't know me. I have a police scanner and their responses to Central Dispatch calls are professional and I have the utmost faith in our officers. They seem well spoken and knowledgeable of the laws of the land. I understand we recently had a change in command and it seems to have have gone flawlessly which in not always the case. I sleep well at night and have no qualms about leaving my house during the day because for the past twenty years they have not failed me once. Thank you Zeigler PD and for that matter Zeigler Fire Deparment, Zeigler First Responders and the Zeigler Mayor and Council. My streets are safe, if I should fall ill the unpaid First Responders will help me until an ambulance arrives, if my house should catch on fire the unpaid Fire Department will put it out (both departments have been commended in the newspaper for their quick response times), grants have been applied for and received for new trucks, police cars, housing rehabs, sewer and water lines. There are an enormous number of people working to make Zeigler a better place to live and I appreciate each and every one. I guess there are always other towns with better police departments for the bitter and disgruntled to move to. "

" Dear newlady1, I am a member of the family that was involved with the Wallaces. They are not members of the Stacy family so get it right!!!! Stacy is a family freind. As for the Wallaces not looking for trouble, why go back? To me that is the defetion of looking for trouble. "

" look, i personally know wallace, his 14 yr old son, and the 20 yr old man from johnston city. none of them go looking for trouble since they seem to have enough trouble from the zeigler police as it is. as for the 20 yr old man having an outstanding warrant for his arrest, it was for reasons that have been dropped because his girlfriend's mother plays head games. zeigler police do not do their jobs nor do they care about the citizens they are paid to protect. personally i would rather have the herrin police take care of me (and every one knows how bad of a PD they are).

unless you are a wallace or a member of the stacey family, this is none of your business to comment or make up your side of the story. leave this matter alone, and just get back to your lame lives that dont matter anyways.

(btw, i know stacey was drunk that night and i know that the wallace party was sober. if you want proof just contact the zeigler PD since they like to give out copies of people's police records.) "

" " Hey Smilin Bob, you might want to read before writing. In your first post you said that Stacy "smashed a beer bottle across the back of his head" and then replied to my post that is possible to hit someone without breaking a beer bottle."<----DEAR PJBAC2001 YOU REALLY SHOULD TAKE SOME REMEDIAL EDUCATION CLASSES, BECAUSE CLEARLY YOU EITHER CANNOT READ OR WRITE. AS FAR AS THE WARRANT IS CONCERNED, REST ASSURED I DO KNOW WHAT I AM TALKING ABOUT AND TO WHOM I AM REFERRING TO. NO, ITS NOT THE CHRISTMAS ELVES, I KNOW THATS GOING TO BE GRAVELY DISAPPOINTING TO YOU, BUT ASSUMING YOURE AN ADULT, YOU'LL JUST HAVE TO DEAL AND GET OVER IT. THE WARRANT, IN FACT, HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE FIGHT INCIDENT, I WAS JUST COMMENTING ON WHAT PINKEYE89 WROTE ABOUT IT. AND WHAT DO YOU MEAN WFPD'S DISPATCH ISNT HANDLED THROUGH THE SAME ONE ZEIGLERS IS??? GEE I ALWAYS THOUGHT ALL POLICE AGENCIES ROUTED THERE NUMBERS THROUGH ONE CENTRAL HUB REGARDLESS OF LOCATION LOL but not really. just because i called wfpd to no avail, doesnt mean i was referring to every single police force in illinois. now you get real. or get out. either way, have a nice day, and please, PLEASE learn to read :-) "

" tiron, I would hurt your feelings, but I am going to be the adult here. That is just too offensive and not pertaining to the log at all. The point was made because 2 people were throwing sand in the sand box, and needed to go to another outlet. This is not the place for personal attacks. This is an outlet for people to state their thoughts, ideas, and concerns for local issues. I for one really enjoy reading responses, but yours was totally out of line and uncalled for. "

" Did Stacey, or any of his friends, try to contact the police? And did he receive the cuts to the back of his head from the vehicle, or as a result of the fight? "

" Is there no 911 system in place? If the police sent the report to the State's Attorney, isn't the ball in the SA's hands now and not the police? Just curious.
Oh, if people are so fed up with the police, why don't they apply and become officers. Then all problems would be solved because there would be good police officers then. The pay is great, benefits can't be beat, hours are superb, but the best part is the people you get the privilege of dealing with on a day to day basis. With good officers, everyone would be pleased on both sides of disputes. It always amazes me why more people don't want to be police officers. lol "

" I've decided to cancel my HBO when I can just get cheap entertainment here. It's the hillbilly hour!

No one in here was actually at the scene or involved in the fight, so why is everyone giving their two cents? Are you people with the law?

Because it's the hillbilly hour!, that's why. "

" Dear Smilin Bob, please re-read what I have written. I never said Stacy hit himself, just that Wallace's story of the beer bottle hitting him in the head was to convient. When you were discussing the family having relitves on the police force everyone can assume that you didn't mean the Wallace's, so who else is there? The Christmas Elves, the Elks, or maybe the Eagles? Come on, get real. Central Dispatch based out of Christopher, I don't think that has anything to do with WFPD. Christopher handles Zeigler. "

" dear pjbac2001: please read and re-read what i have said. nowhere did i say anything about stacy hitting himself in the head with a bottle. so maybe you should do some researching of your own before posting. now, having said that, if you smash you finger, does it shatter? no. i was using the word figuratively, take it how you want it (pjbac2001). and did i say which family had relatives on the force? again, no. so maybe before making assumptions like that, you should ask exactly to whom i am referring, not just jump to any conclusion that suits your whim (gblk1941). and also, thats not true about a central dispatch either. i have personally tried to call WFPD with no answer. maybe thats how it is supposed to work, but here in the real world, very rarely does everything work like theyre supposed to. "

" fedupwithczprd before you slander someone please remember that it is a lawsuit waiting to happen. The family that was involved in the incident has never been charged or convicted of an assualt with baseball and/or crowbar. So get your information right instead of from one tainted source. "

" tom wallace senior was not even in town at the time o the assult. so why is he calling the shots and why are non-zeigler residents involved in a zeigler council meeting? why is his son letting his daddy do all the talking? if the son was in the incident he should be the one doing all the mouthing and complaining. my family are the ones who are being lumped in with stacy. he is a faimly friend not related to any one of us. so get over people. i personly saw stacy after the assult. if he was the one doing the assulting why was he corved in blood, scrapes and brusies. he also had to have stiches from a cut on his head. THERE HAS NEVER BEEN A MEMBER OF THIS FAMILY PAST OR PERSENT EMPLOYED BY LAW ENFORCEMENT!!!! if my family were the ones who did what the wallace's had done we would still be in jail. they would lock us up and throw away the key. if stacy was out in the street drunk and yelling at cars for hours as some have said, then why wasn't the law called before the assult. especially on south pine street. for the ones who said the law was called and no answer, then why wasn't centeral called. all calls go to centeral dispatch automaactly so if someone called then the law would have came in force. "

" The property in question does not belong to Stacy and the family that lives there are NOT RELATED to Stacy. He is just a family friend. Get your facts straight people. What Stacy did in the past, is the past. The crowbar came out of Wallace's truck. If he got it taken away and his butt beat with his own weapon, too bad. Don't pick on someone just because they have done somethings in the past. You might just end up on the wrong side. "

" Hey Smilin Bob, you might want to read before writing. In your first post you said that Stacy "smashed a beer bottle across the back of his head" and then replied to my post that is possible to hit someone without breaking a beer bottle. So which one is it? Since no one on the other side of the fight was arrest on the spot that night that maybe just maybe the Wallace's were in the wrong. Also to unhappyresident, so it's okay to get in an agrument with his girlfriend(the 20yr old that was arrested) as long as he was helping the Wallace's he shouldn't have been arrested. "

" for your information pjbac2001 i went by their that night and stacey was standing by the road yelling at me when i drove by hes a drunken idiot. also as you put it the so called "wallace gang(lmao)" did not step on staceys property, the staceys came after them so they just defended their selves like any other person would do if they had some morons comming after them with weapons. and as i recall the stacey's have a bad habit of beating the death out of people with crowbars and baseball bats... they were out to beat the wallace boy to death like they did the other guy a while back so it aint their first time at doing something like this they have some experience at doing this it seems. . . "

" True that the Zeigler police force leaves alot to desired. You still cannot dismiss the fact Wallace went back with 5 other people to where Stacy was. He is the one who kept the incident rolling by returning. Stacy was on private property when Wallace returned with his "crew" and broke the law. If he was hurt along with his son, then it was his own fault. If the table were turned and someone had done that to Wallace, would you be so admint about the situation? "

" From what I have heard about this situation from the people that were involved, the police department was called multiple times and no one answered. Also, from what "Unhappy Resident" wrote Stacey had been in the road for several hours yelling that EVERY CAR that drove by hit him. So if he was so injured then why wasn't the ambulance there sooner. So obviously if the police force was actually doing their jobs than maybe this all would never occurred! "

" Smilin Bob, you still haven't answered all the question of the private property, the independt witness and most of all why no one called the police on Stacy if he was yelling in the road as you have stated. I know some of the neighbors on that street and they would not hesiate to call the police. The police did respond so I guess someone lied about that. "

" maybe he should go try out for the majors. but thats besides the point. just because a bottle is thrown doesnt always means it breaks, they are hard to break over someones head, they dont just shatter like in the movies. also, just because wallace was in his car doesnt mean he was traveling fast, meaning he more than likely had to slow down to avoid hitting the intoxicated stacey. and i dont recall having said anything about wallace senior. he wasnt even in town that night. and there were efforts made to contact the zeigler pd, and lo and behold, there was no answer. not even a dispatcher. surprised? im not. "

" Smilin Bob, you might want to research your information better before posting. One, no one of the other so called alleged assialants have family members past or present on the Zeigler police force or surrounding towns. Two, if a beer bottle was thrown while Wallace was driving his car, how did it hit him in the back of the head by a so called intoxicated Stacy. If he made that throw then he needs to be in the Majors and where is the broken beer bottle? Three, Wallace Senior was not involved and was not even in town at the time of the incident so why is he and not his son(the father of the 16 yr old) making comments to the press and the city council? Trying maybe to cash in on his popularity and his son trying to stay out of the limelight and out of jail? And finally, if Stacy was yelling in the street at passing cars like some have alleged, then why didn't any of the 15 or so neighbors call the police? The police get called for less things than someone yelling at passing cars. The witness who saw the car hit Stacy is not related to anyone involved and why would they lie for them. I guess the squeaky wheel gets the grease and the louder you talk, the less the truth of the whole thing will matter. "

" Zeigler's police force does fall terribly short. I understand mutual assistance with other neighboring towns, but they tend to "hang out" in the neighboring towns. And, when needed, drive back to town with complete disregard for any traffic safety. Zeigler's police force, used to take care of the locals. No more. While they speed back and forth to Chritopher or Royalton for coffee, they will issue tickets to the same locals for anything they can. One small question though, if Stacey was hit by a car, why did he not try to contact the police?? "

" does anyone in this town know how to dial 911? Mad Bloggers, get a room "

" hit. him. with. his. car. hmmmm has anyone seen the mustang since? are there indicative signs of him hitting anything? are there scratches in the nice new paint? a dent in the hood perhaps, where the stacey boy supposedly flipped over? no, you say? my my now that is interesting. i suppose he also smashed a beer bottle across the back of his head, for added effect too? or do you suppose that wallace and the 20 year old who was arrested for an 'outstanding warrant' hit themselves with a crowbar? and as far as the warrant goes, it was completely ridiculous. in case anyone is wondering, i personally know the people involved, and have seen the marks and bruises. the very same night, i might add, and i find it hard to believe either of them would hit themselves in the ribs, back, head and shoulder with said crowbar. oh and the wrist. almost forgot the wrist. but thats besides the fact. lets get back to the drunk who was out in the road. public intoxication, anybody? or did none of the neighbors see nor hear him yelling and screaming at almost every car that passed by there that night? one would think that might rouse a close neighbor out of bed. so let the slanderous words fly my way, im sure there are several of you who have something to say. oh and as far as the zeigler police 'force' goes, its a JOKE. but i guess it pays to have family members on the force, huh? "

" The neighbor that came out to help Stacey was asleep and not involved in incident until the Wallace gang came back. It was his property and he was protecting his intrest. No one has brought up the fact that Wallace Junior was tresspassing on private property along with his son. Stacey has injuries to his head, elbows, knees and had bruises. So if Stacey was the one who was beating Wallace where did his injuries come from? "

" The Wallace boy hit Stacey with his car and left the scene of an accident. Then Wallace came back with his son and 3 others to the house where the incident took place. By the way, the property that this took place is private property and posted. Wallace senior has made threats against the family(who are not related to Stacey, just a friend of the family) on their property and was told to keep out of it. Wallace Senior was not even in town at the time of the incident. The question is why did Wallace Junior leave the scence(possiblie that he was drinking and driving), bring back 4 others with him and then procede on to private property? Could be that the 5 people got their collective butts kicked and now have to explain to the town why he was there. There was an independt witness to the attack and has signed a statement to that. So if you were not there then, and not involved then the information is tainted. My family is the one who were wronged not the Wallace family "

" Apparently you do give 2 sheets, or you wouldn't be trying to impersonate me.

I'm glad I'm in your prayers and that you care enough to think of me right after mommy sings twinkle, twinkle little star to you and kisses you on the forehead. It really means a lot.

As far as your pity, I used that to wipe with; I hope you don't mind. Might I say, your intellectual wit supercedes that of anybody else posting on "The Southern". I'm glad you told us, as we seemed to have missed it. I would have called it juvenile antagonism, but, hey, this is a P.C. world, and we'll go along with your words, mmmmmkay?

I don't know of any posts where you've demonstrated "rock solid logic". Be sure to let us know the next time you impart said "rock solid logic" as we are just simpletons that don't understand such things. You may even have to connect the dots for us.

At least you have a genuine respect for prior military. For that, I applaud you. Not for my sake, but for those who sacrificed more than I had to.

Back on topic, the fact remains that people were hit with crowbars and bats. This is aggravated assault and battery. Now, it is legal to use such force when one feels in physical danger and as a last resort. If it was a resident doing the "striking", I find it hard to believe that said resident was in imminent danger.

The condemning evidence would have to be the blows to the back, and the back of the head. I don't pretend to know all of the facts, but even if the "neighbor" struck Wallace to get him off of Stacy, it seems a little extreme.

When all is said and done, there is a price to pay if you choose to get in physical altercations. Ultimately, someone is going to get hurt. Some people go into a feral rage and really have no focus other than to destroy. We all know people of that caliber who are just completely "nuts" when they get into fights.

To be honest, I think both sides broke the law here. I'm sure this whole incident didn't just materialize out of thin air.

Oh, and to the fake madblogger (madb1ogger), just so you know, I harbor no ill will towards you. I was merely having fun with you. You're right, I do become pointed from time to time, and needle here and there. For the most part, though, I do maintain my composure, I research the subjects I post on, and even though my viewpoints may oppose some, or even most at times, I do post in line with my beliefs. I am "Left" on some issues, I am "Right" on others, and sometimes I hold a "Centrist" viewpoint.

With that said, "Debate on!!". LOL

Oh, and "nice", on the freudian slip part. A collective "Doh!" came about me, when I re-read the whole Batman reference. "

" FYI: Stacey person was not the only one that was put into the ambulance. Wallace and the 20 year old had to have medical attention also. Wallace had to have a cat scan to make sure he didn't have bleeding on the brain. The 20 yr old had to have x-rays to make sure he didn't have broken ribs or a broken arm. Now we want facts here you are. The outstanding warrant had nothing to do with this situation so why was it even brought up. I feel that, that towns police department needs to be put under internal review. Where were they when these calls were coming in? From what I've heard about that force, they do anything in their power not to have to do paperwork!!!!! Yet these are the people that are suppose to PROTECT AND SERVE the community!!!! Though when they are called there is NO ONE THERE!!!!! Back to the subject. Who are the victims? The Wallaces' and the 20 yr old, who were unarmed, or the Stacey Family and the mob with the weapons??? So before everyone starts throwing around accusations, KNOW THE FACTS OR ZIP IT!!!! i.e. Pinkeye89 "

" 2 madblogger - for starters, I do believe that your freudian slip is showing...Based on your attempt at writing, one could deduce that you have a Batman fetish and possibly may have wished to be boy wonder. Well, you win...because boy, you've got me wondering (Get it?...think really hard and you can do it!!) So, we can also deduce that this is your weak and feeble attempt to engage in a 'civilized debate'?.....plahez! Just because you claim a moral ideal highground, your actions betray your kniving and less than honorable ways. You have my prayers and my pitty!! "

" lol. Please refresh my memory as I do not recall ANYONE ever making me look bad on these forums as there hasn't been ANYONE who could keep up with my intellectual wit or rock solid logic. I will run circles around your elementary attempts to discredit anything I have said. Simply put, YOU aren't even close to being the person to do it. It appears that madblogger has me confused with someone who would give 2 sheets as to what he thinks. All I can say is thank you for your service to our country in a military capacity (IF that is really true). Let the debates begin!! "

" you gotta love the fake madblogger (madb1ogger). He's antagonistic, and rude.

I think he's still mad at me for making him look bad a while back. I applaud his efforts to discredit me, because he cannot do it in civilized debate.

It's either that, or he really wants to be like me. I don't know, maybe he has a BatMan fetish too. Perhaps he always wanted to be the boy wonder. "

" In answer to flutter, was the neighbor that got out of bed at 8 something in the evening part of the family? Did he feel like he needed to go outside with a ballbat and hit a child (whether he is 14 or 15 he is a child) in the head with a bat as the child tried to help his dad who had been beaten with a crowbar back into the truck? The people in the white truck all stayed in the truck until Wallace started to get back in and Stacey hit him (in the back naturally with the crowbar and then got him down and kept beating him on the back (I saw the pictures of the crowbar marks all on Wallace's back, strange since he was supposed to be facing Stacey and beating him up) That is when the Wallace CHILD jumped out to help his dad get in the truck and the good Samaritan sleeper ran outside and beat the child in the head. In fact aren't all of the neighbors that have given their version, part of this extended family? Also, poor old Stacey who was run over is an extremely lucky guy since he had been in the road quite a while drinking and screaming that every car that passed him hit him, no wonder he had to go to the hospital. I happened to see Wallaces car (that had just been painted the week before), funny, he hit someone with a brand new paint job and not a scratch on the car but one huge lump on the back of his head from the beer bottle that he was hit with. Were we looking to get a little insurance since we all know that work is a bad word. And boy look at all of the wounds that Stacey boy had, what was it a couple of stitches in his head when one I repeat 1 person other than Wallace's son who was now out of it after the good sam's lick with ballbat to the head, got out of the white truck and kicked Stacey off of Wallace to keep Stacy from killing him and then managed to pick Wallace up and get him in the truck. Wallaces bruises in the shape of crow bars are all over his back, did he throw himself down on it and on the beer bottle? Remember he went straight to police station, I am sure Stacey did that too. Also, this just seems so familiar, did this same thing happen not too long ago except they actually went into someone's house with crowbars and baseball bats and drug him outside, beat him half to death and left him to die? Funny it is all crowbars and baseball bats but they are innocent picked on ones. I for one was glad to see so many people care about the wallaces no matter where they came from what i hate is that I am sure you could not pay any of them to move to Zeigler now, we have mostly elderly in Zeigler, this should make all of them feel extremely safe. And oh Pinkeye I did check on the outstanding warrant on the older youth, it was over an arguement with his girlfriend and calling her, gosh is a baseball bat a better way of handling it you think? I have a child that has been harrassed by the police if they spit on the sidewalk, but I hope they never meet these Stacey and his family when they are drunk or doped up, I hate for my child to be the next victim. "

" Stay classy, Zeigler. "

" WOW! He was using it to beat off 4? Against 1? I would think that a beat off like that would get him out of bed! I understand that Wallace's have a rather telling slogan in that they never leave their buddies behind! Can't get much more descriptive than that so thank you very much for the blow by blow visuals....er.....Flutter LOL "

" I repeat. A neighbor is where the ballbat came from. He was using it to beat off 4 against one. The comotion got him out of bed. The crowbar came from the Wallace's white truck which came back from the scene where Wallace ran over Stacy with his car. So basically there was and altercation with the run over then Wallace left the scene of an accident. Came back in a white truck with a load(3-4) underage boys and were attempting to kick the crap out of Stacy! It was planned out! Another neighbor called the police when she saw Wallace run Stacy down the first time he was at the scene. The Stacy boy may not be the best person in the world and he has done his share, but in this incident HE was the victim! "

" The Wallace family is not telling the whole truth. I am a neighbor and there was no mention that the Wallace Boy ran the victim (Stacy) over with his car (hot rod mustang I believe) and fliped him over the hood. The ballbat came from another neighbor who was using it to beat the Wallace boys off the Stacy because he thought they were going to kill him. he siad that they cam back in a whit truck to the scene. The neighbor with the ballbat told me when I went out after the ambulance got there that the Wallace boys are the ones that got out of the white truck with the crow bar and were beating Stacy with it. I do know that Stacy was the ONLY one I saw put into the ambulance. I was standing right there. Stacy took a real beating by the looks of him. Wallace and son show no visible wounds as far as I can see. Other neighbors saw Stacy run down with the Wallace car. I think there were words before when he went by Stacy's house and Wallace must have turn around and ran him down. The truth about this has not been told. "

" yeah, what the fake madblogger said. "

" Regardless whether Tom's grandson is 14 or 15, he's still a minor. Beating somebody with a baseball bat is still Assault With A Deadly Weapon and Aggravated Battery. Note-This would not be the case if it is with a nurf basball bat. I hope they file felony charges against the criminals as they very well could have killed these thugs.

And before you start, I do know them. I think what these people did was very wrong, and they're lucky that it didn't end up like the beating that these criminals are going to receive. "

" Pinkeye proves that intelligence is alive and well in SI. Please do us all a favor and beat yourself over the head with a baseball bat, it can only help. "

" Regardless whether Tom's grandson is 14 or 15, he's still a minor. Beating somebody with a baseball bat and crowbar is still Assault With A Deadly Weapon and Aggravated Battery. I hope they file felony charges against the perps, they could have killed these kids.

And before you start, I don't know them. I just think what these people did was very wrong, and they're lucky that it didn't end up like the Savoy Cunningham beating. "

" Well sense we are putting a high value of the facts. Whether or not the 20 year old was arrested on a warrant, is completely irrelevant. If there has been a crime committed here, that is what matters. So get off your soapbox and wait for all the facts to come out. Remember, there is an investigation still going on with this case. And with every situation there is always two side to the story. But, clearly you have already made up your mind about this so I guess the facts really are not that important to you after all. "

" Tom's grandson is almost 16 not 14 and Tommy also brought two 17 year olds and a 20 year old back to fight. They are just mad they got their butts kicked. I think the 20 year old was later arrested on an outstanding warrant! And while dozens of residents attended the meeting with Tom the majority of them were not Zeigler residents - most of them were from out of town. Facts are important. "