" Hey Bruce —

August 15, was when the SOUTHERN published this mess. Since that time, you've not had much to say — of course, except recently when you were quoted as saying that the, "people din't seem to mind paying more taxes..." Those people to whom you were referring... was that the few people associated with ownership of property in the ten or eleven Tif Districts in Marion? It is understandable why THOSE FEW were not uspet, after-all those people are who the additional taxes went to?

Since it has been a while — here are a few questions for you —

Are you still planning on telling the truth?

Have you worked out new details of your next story for John to write down yet?

Can a person named in a law-suit switch assets into family member's names to avoid loss in pending litigation? "

" Hey there Bruce...

You still checking in on this story?

I'll bet you are glad that Chuck got stopped for the infamous DUI situation, and that Mayor Butler keeps speaking... and promising tax payer money for his pet-projects and Kokopellians...

But, we haven't forgot you Bruce. Or your statement of "just wanting to tell the truth..."

Perhaps one day very soon, Mr. Treausrer. Until that time, just keep practicing the story you've been spinning.

Perhaps you should pen a press release for John (copy-by) Homan. From what the SOUTHERN has printed recently, by the award-winning pen-smith, all you have to do is phone in a story.

By the way, does the Treasurer's office issue press passes like the State's Attorney? You may want to consider that move, too. Look how easy the State's Attorney is able to CONTROL the media. "

" @williamgeorge:

Bi-county allowed them to open up with Beatles on the walls? Shouldn't they be removing the hotdogs and hamburgers after the customers leave?

j/k.... 'tis a good place to eat :) "

" I mean... I gotta say...

Tell the truth around here... Point out the inconsistancies with the SOUTHERN's CITY-FRIENDLY style of printing press releases... and, apparently, people get offended...

So they banned me... AGAIN... areYOUkidding? "

" Anyone who dines at T-Birds by the Williamson County Regional Airport will see Elvis and The Beatles on the walls and burgers and hot dogs on the tables.
----------------------
williamgeorge
California Dui "

" " where is the southern's article on Chuckie's self serving news conference? They must be doing some investigative reporting, checking the facts, talking to witnesses, getting the other side of the story. Wait, whats that in the sky, got to go Batman needs me. " "

" Somebody please define censorship for me?

Oh, and btw, to "The One";

you said, "MadBlogger, AreUkiddingme, and Cosmo... you are nothing but stirrers. It is kind of annoying. You trash everything and everyone on the website but are too afraid to tell who you really are. "

Who have I trashed? I merely post my political concerns. Why do you need to know who I am? So I can be punished for voicing my concerns? I can assure you I'm an unknown. I've never worked in government (Besides being in the service), I've never ran for any kind of office, and I don't work in a field close to government.

You trying to tell me to stop posting is as bad as the Southern removing the Garnati conspiracy story. After all, if the public doesn't read about any wrong-doing, then it doesn't happen, right? As far as hurting their friends, families, co-workers? Are you kidding me? Me posting about TIF's has Butler and Gentry's family,friends, and co-workers in counselling? Well, I'm sorry, I didn't make the TIFs. "

" Wow... I thoght I had posted this already — perhaps not.

But — we have learned that during a telephone conversation yesterday, Gary Metro, the editor for the (Award Winnning) SOUTHERN; explained that they (the SOUTHERN) could not remove any content regarding the comments... doing os my in fact, according to the editor, establish responsibility for the paper. Making them liable for the information THEY posted.

Metro also indicated that no one had the authority to censor messages of the posts, due to them (comments) being based on the public's opinion.

HUM — then where did the posts go? AND what about the story? Where did the Story go? "

" I have a question, not just for this thread, but for all these Southern threads.

Why is it that when posters begin to post information that exposes facts about public officials in our area that the Southern is unwilling to report the thread gets SHUT DOWN!, by the Southern.

CENSORSHIP at its finest by a media entity none the less! I have seen it over and over again on here, at least three times in the last month!

People, you should stop posting here period. Stop giving them free publicity, fresh ideas, and possibly drawing new readership to them. You should boycott the Southern for these practices, and start your own web site for truthful information sharing about our area that they cannot shut down every time they choose! "

" To: The one...the only...

Please don't let the messenger not let you see the message. While you may not agree with those you mention, you cannot deny the fact that we the taxpayers have been lied to about the TIF situation within Marion. According to many sources, most of all Mayor Butler, we were led to believe that the TIF's didn't cost the taxpayer. We now have found out that EVERYONE in the county pays for the TIF's in Marion. If this does not make you irate, then nothing will. It is time for those who are in public service to own up to their lies and it is time for us as a public to make sure that they are held accountable. "

" AreUkiddingme.... seriously, you want to attack me? That is too funny.

First off, you DESERVE to be attacked. You go at people like a crazy dog that needs to be put down. You make ZERO sense and people see through it. The people in which you degrade are decent people. YOU, my dear, are simple. Just because a story doesn't go the way YOU want, doesn't make a paper "unbalanced" it makes it a paper.

No, you are correct on something... I didn't use my real name. I chose not to for the simple (and you already called ME that) fact that I didn't want to. I have NO problem putting my real name up... but I have a feeling you do.

You remind me of a little girl who doesn't get her way. THAT'S SAD!!! When you realize that all you are doing is putting up ridiculous propoganda... you will feel better.

And sunshine, you didn't educate me... I don't need it.

I hope people wise up to your nonsense. I am a 26 year female that can stand behind what SHE says.. can you??? "

" Here is ONE SHINING EXAMPLE of how the news is sampled through the city-friendly SOUTHREN —

The SOUTHERN published THIS story... But, they have failed to print a single word about THIS meeting... Even though the MDR wrote a story...

Marion school board calls special Saturday meeting
BY JOHN HOMAN, The Southern
Wednesday, August 13, 2008 1:49 PM CDT
MARION — Unit 2 Board President Todd Goodman has called a special meeting of the board for 8 a.m. Saturday to discuss in closed session matters related to the appointment, employment, compensation, discipline, performance or dismissal of specific employees.

The board could also discuss legal counsel for the district, including hearing testimony on a complaint lodged against an employee or legal counsel.

In open session, the board could take action on personnel recommendations considered in closed session and meet with a representative of the Illinois School Board Association to review the district’s board policy manual.


What are you afraid of?

The TRUTH? "

" The one...the only... AND thank goodness...

Wow... degrade people we know nothing about?

In one breath (though convoluted...) you say... " and bringing up things that are the citizens right to know..."

And then you — WHAT — Don't want to know things?

Are you simple?

I can't speak for everyone. But, the things I have been speaking about include THEIR documents and THEIR statements in the press on THEIR VIDEOS. I speak of THEIR inability to print, publish or offer the TRUTH in the matters for which I have posted — PERIOD—

and... I speak for you, one and only.

Let the reporters report? Stirrers...?

It IS annoying. Have you been napping? Have you just read the past five or so messages? PLEASE read a few more posts back in this thread.

You say that WE trash everyone... that's not true. I stand by MY posts. I stand by THEIR documents. For crying out loud, as you say... Why won't THEY stand by their documents? It, as you say again, is SAD.

And... Why do you want to know who I am? You are pretty quick to blame me for doing something that YOU — YOURSELF failed to do. Unless, of course, we are to assume that, "The One" is your first name... and "The Only" would be your last?

I see... double standards. At least everyone here, regardless of name, can see through those who "stir" and those who simply "stink."

You stink.

And finally... You MUST be new.

It was the City's attorney who had the myspace site taken down. DID you miss that? He stated that HE had it taken down... even though he was NOT acting on behalf of the City. None of the people who were featured at the site were very appreciative that the internet offered the TRUTH that the SOUTHERN fails to report.

If you missed the myspace site... try the new on when it comes on-line later this week. This one, all you need is the marionexposed portion... no myspace abbreviation. Get it?

So thanks, one and only for your opinion.

How do you feel?

If it is true that we learn something new everyday... YOU just got an education. You learned how wrong you were regarding your opinion. "

" What is wrong with you people? You degrade people that you know nothing about... and bringing up things that are the citizens right to know, but for crying out loud, let the reporters do the reporting. MadBlogger, AreUkiddingme, and Cosmo... you are nothing but stirrers. It is kind of annoying. You trash everything and everyone on the website but are too afraid to tell who you really are. That is sad. You are not only offending the individuals that you are "trashing" but their families, friends and associates. I am ALL for freedom of speech and the internet comment age, but for the love of pearl... I just don't understand why you would put up comments about things the story doesn't even pertain to. And by the way... why did you take down the interesting Myspace account? Because you are spreading nothing but lies? That's what I assume. I find it funny that you will put useless information to fan the flames on here but take down your account on Myspace... I think you are nothing but cowards... but that is just my opinion. I hope the Southern wises up about the three of you and blocks your accounts so you can't post anymore comments... but that is just a pipe dream I guess... "

" I bet all who have been pulled over for suspected DUI wished they had the power to throw blame like Garnati. On behalf of all of the DUI recipients, I would like to say that they were unfairly targeted, regardless of their alcohol/drug content. It doesn't matter if they were at a bar for 12 hours, they were unfairly targeted. Any anonymous tips regarding drunken driving should therefore be disregarded. Well, either that, or a thourough investigation should be done as to whether those anonymous tipsters are credible. Also, it should be noted that the recipients of DUI's were unfairly targeted. It's purely political why they crossed the center line. After all, you're not guilty of DUI unless you submit to a breathalizer or field sobriety test. There's absolutely no reason why a summary suspension should take place if you refuse a field sobriety test/breathalizer. It doesn't matter if the law states such, it's just not right, especially if you're in a political office.

Therefore, I formally announce my candidacy for town drunk. As the town drunk, my actions should not and will not be held against me, mmmmkay? "

" [Hello....Hello....is this thing on?]

News Flash

Why did Garnati wait almost 24 hours before he went to the police department to file a complaint? Oh, silly me, he had to SOBER UP!!!

He says they are out to get him but he was not aressted. Makes a lot of sense to me. To bad Garnati is trying to tarnish a very good person. Sgt. Billy Sons is one of the most polite, proffesional person you could ever meet. Sons should have aressted him for numerous violations that Garnati exposed himself of commiting. However, Sons was trying to give him some professional cortesy and now look. Garnati is trying to get a free pass from here on out to drive DUI (alcohol and medication). My thoughts are with you Sgt. Sons, I have known you for awhile, and you do not deserve this treatment. For the record, I am not a cop! I know him through fundraisers for children. "

" AND NOW THE SECOND story which the AWARD WINNING SOUTHERN ignores.

This is YET ANOTHER story published by reputable local print publications which are interested in the TRUTH... NOT hiding behind the relationships of their "Buddies."

When this PAPER is done patting themselves on the back and polishing or boasting of their wall full of tin-plated awards from their OWN Association... maybe they will realize HOW FOOLISH and vague their stories sound... Let alone how terribly obvious the fact that this paper REFUSES to publish the TRUTH destroys what speck of trust the SOUTHERN had left.

Each day which passes become darker still for this embarrassment of a news agency... Now, it looks like your "BUDDIES" are finding a way into the main-stream press even with your best efforts of suppression.

So, MARTHA and SPRING CHICKEN... are you feeling that knot in the pit of your stomach? Are you getting ready for a big serving of CROW? Still finding it hard to believe? Still want to sit back and criticize?

You were RIGHT about one thing... IT IS A CRYING SHAME.


(from the) INDEPENDENT: (August 28 — September 3, 2008

Geoffrey Ritter
The Independent

GARNATI DUI STOP EXPLODES WITH ACCUSATIONS

WILLIAMSON COUNTY - State's Attorney Charles Garnati is leveling accusations of conspiracy against unknown members of several local law enforcement agencies after he was pulled over last week on suspicion of driving under the influence of alcohol.

Garnati, a resident of Carterville, was pulled over in his driveway by Illinois State Police Sgt. Billy Sons shortly after 10 p.m. last Thursday, Aug. 21. In a seven-page complaint that Garnati filed the next morning with the Carterville Police Department, he requested "a complete, legitimate, honest investigation into who might have conspired with Sgt. Sons in committing these crimes against me."

"I am quite aware and it is common knowledge among certain members of the public and also certain honest cops that there is a group of cops mainly in Herrin, but has spread to the [Carterville] P.D., the Sheriff's Dept. and even the Carbondale Police Dept. who have vowed revenge because I prosecuted the 4 police officers involved in the Darek (sic) Wynn beating in Herrin," Garnati wrote in his complaint. "I have been told by reliable witnesses that this group will get their revenge on me even if it takes setting me up, or accusing me of totally false criminal misconduct."

Local police officials in Her-rin and Carterville would not comment on the possibility of a conspiracy against Garnati within their ranks, although some members of the local law enforcement community have spoken as early as last year about the possibility of stopping Garnati between Car-bon-dale and Carterville on a DUI-related charge. Gar-nati often has been seen patronizing Carbondale establishments that serve alcohol.

During a brief phone interview Tuesday evening, Garnati said that he "was not drunk" at the time of the incident and that "there was no alcohol on my breath whatsoever."

"There's absolutely no indication that I was intoxicated at all," Garnati said. "There is an investigation to try to determine who is making these false reports."

He added that the Sheriff's Department is conducting the investigation.

According to Garnati's seven-page account, he was traveling east on Rt. 13 and turned left onto Division Street in Carterville. Shortly after he turned right onto California Street, where his home is located, Garnati said he noticed a squad car with flashing lights following him. He turned into his driveway and parked his car in his garage. Garnati said that he expected the officer "was interested in some legal advice from me which is not unusual" and exited his car in his garage. Sgt. Sons also came out of his vehicle and entered Garnati's garage, although Garnati notes that he did not invite Sons onto his property.

According to Garnati's complaint, Sons then told him that the Williamson County Sheriff's Department had received a tip regarding a drunk driver traveling east on Rt. 13 and that, while on his routine patrol, he had observed a vehicle near the intersection at Cambria Road that matched the tipster's description. Sons told Garnati it was common for local police agencies to turn over possible DUI apprehensions to the State Police, and Sons further told Garnati that he was not aware of the driver's identity when he first began following the vehicle. By the time Sons reached the intersection at Division Street, he had been informed by "some police agency" that Garnati was the driver.

Garnati said in his complaint that Sons told him he "had crossed over the line" into the other lane as he made his right turn onto California Street; Garnati conceded that he may have crossed into the other lane by 3 or 4 inches but that it would be impossible to have gone "over the line" since there are no lines on California Street. As Garnati pushed this point, Sons told him not to argue, a request with which Garnati says he complied, although he "politely told [Sons] that he was totally lying." Sons also said that this was the second time a tipster had called in reporting that Garnati was driving drunk, the other incident having been reported on an earlier date.

According to the complaint, Sons took Garnati's license to his vehicle to check for any outstanding warrants, although Garnati notes several times that Sons never requested a proof-of-insurance card. After returning Garnati's license, Sons returned to his squad car and left. No citation was issued to Garnati. Before Sons left, Garnati asked who had made the call reporting that he was driving drunk, but Sons became "extremely defensive and said he would answer no further questions."

In his statement, Garnati makes a criminal complaint against Sons and "unknown" members of the police departments in Herrin and Carterville and the Illinois State Police. He also has demanded that police radio traffic recordings not be destroyed because they "could be key pieces of evidence. In my opinion, any alteration, change or destruction of the radio traffic would be additional crimes of obstruction of justice."

Herrin Police Chief Stu Ridings and Carterville Police Chief Monty Jeralds both declined to comment for this story. Calls made to Sheriff Tom Cundiff and a spokesperson with the Illinois State Police were not returned.

Last week's incident is the latest in a series of events that has marked a deteriorating relationship between Garnati and the area's law enforcement officials. Their working relationship began to unravel in the wake of Garnati's aggressive prosecution of four men connected with area police departments who allegedly assaulted Derek Wynn last year in Herrin.

While the cases against two of those men remain outstanding, two of them pleaded guilty earlier this year to three charges each. At a press conference following the first plea deal, Garnati said he believed the men made poor decisions as a result of consuming too much alcohol.

During last year's heated investigation into the assault, Garnati and the general counsel of the state's police labor union, the Illinois Fraternal Order of Police, exchanged increasingly bitter words with each other, and local members of that union met last April to discuss their fracturing relationship with Garnati.

The FOP has yet to take any formal action against Garnati for supposedly interfering with the abilities of officers to effectively do their jobs. "

" From the Courier-Independent:

State's attorney says he has been targeted by local cops because of ongoing Herrin police case

Geoffrey Ritter
Courier-Independent

WILLIAMSON COUNTY - State's Attorney Charles Garnati is leveling accusations of conspiracy against unknown members of several local law enforcement agencies after he was pulled over last week on suspicion of driving under the influence of alcohol.

Garnati, a resident of Carterville, was pulled over in his driveway by Illinois State Police Sgt. Billy Sons shortly after 10 p.m. last Thursday, Aug. 21. In a seven-page complaint that Garnati filed the next morning with the Carterville Police Department, he requested "a complete, legitimate, honest investigation into who might have conspired with Sgt. Sons in committing these crimes against me."

"I am quite aware and it is common knowledge among certain members of the public and also certain honest cops that there is a group of cops mainly in Herrin, but has spread to the [Carterville] P.D., the Sheriff's Dept. and even the Carbondale Police Dept. who have vowed revenge because I prosecuted the 4 police officers involved in the Darek (sic) Wynn beating in Herrin," Garnati wrote in his complaint. "I have been told by reliable witnesses that this group will get their revenge on me even if it takes setting me up, or accusing me of totally false criminal misconduct."

Local police officials in Her-rin and Carterville would not comment on the possibility of a conspiracy against Garnati within their ranks, although some members of the local law enforcement community have spoken as early as last year about the possibility of stopping Garnati between Car-bon-dale and Carterville on a DUI-related charge. Gar-nati often has been seen patronizing Carbondale establishments that serve alcohol.

During a brief phone interview Tuesday evening, Garnati said that he "was not drunk" at the time of the incident and that "there was no alcohol on my breath whatsoever."

"There's absolutely no indication that I was intoxicated at all," Garnati said. "There is an investigation to try to determine who is making these false reports."

He added that the Sheriff's Department is conducting the investigation.

According to Garnati's seven-page account, he was traveling east on Rt. 13 and turned left onto Division Street in Carterville. Shortly after he turned right onto California Street, where his home is located, Garnati said he noticed a squad car with flashing lights following him. He turned into his driveway and parked his car in his garage. Garnati said that he expected the officer "was interested in some legal advice from me which is not unusual" and exited his car in his garage. Sgt. Sons also came out of his vehicle and entered Garnati's garage, although Garnati notes that he did not invite Sons onto his property.

According to Garnati's complaint, Sons then told him that the Williamson County Sheriff's Department had received a tip regarding a drunk driver traveling east on Rt. 13 and that, while on his routine patrol, he had observed a vehicle near the intersection at Cambria Road that matched the tipster's description. Sons told Garnati it was common for local police agencies to turn over possible DUI apprehensions to the State Police, and Sons further told Garnati that he was not aware of the driver's identity when he first began following the vehicle. By the time Sons reached the intersection at Division Street, he had been informed by "some police agency" that Garnati was the driver.

Garnati said in his complaint that Sons told him he "had crossed over the line" into the other lane as he made his right turn onto California Street; Garnati conceded that he may have crossed into the other lane by 3 or 4 inches but that it would be impossible to have gone "over the line" since there are no lines on California Street. As Garnati pushed this point, Sons told him not to argue, a request with which Garnati says he complied, although he "politely told [Sons] that he was totally lying." Sons also said that this was the second time a tipster had called in reporting that Garnati was driving drunk, the other incident having been reported on an earlier date.

According to the complaint, Sons took Garnati's license to his vehicle to check for any outstanding warrants, although Garnati notes several times that Sons never requested a proof-of-insurance card. After returning Garnati's license, Sons returned to his squad car and left. No citation was issued to Garnati. Before Sons left, Garnati asked who had made the call reporting that he was driving drunk, but Sons became "extremely defensive and said he would answer no further questions."

In his statement, Garnati makes a criminal complaint against Sons and "unknown" members of the police departments in Herrin and Carterville and the Illinois State Police. He also has demanded that police radio traffic recordings not be destroyed because they "could be key pieces of evidence. In my opinion, any alteration, change or destruction of the radio traffic would be additional crimes of obstruction of justice."

Herrin Police Chief Stu Ridings and Carterville Police Chief Monty Jeralds both declined to comment for this story. Calls made to Sheriff Tom Cundiff and a spokesperson with the Illinois State Police were not returned.

Last week's incident is the latest in a series of events that has marked a deteriorating relationship between Garnati and the area's law enforcement officials. Their working relationship began to unravel in the wake of Garnati's aggressive prosecution of four men connected with area police departments who allegedly assaulted Derek Wynn last year in Herrin.

While the cases against two of those men remain outstanding, two of them pleaded guilty earlier this year to three charges each. At a press conference following the first plea deal, Garnati said he believed the men made poor decisions as a result of consuming too much alcohol.

During last year's heated investigation into the assault, Garnati and the general counsel of the state's police labor union, the Illinois Fraternal Order of Police, exchanged increasingly bitter words with each other, and local members of that union met last April to discuss their fracturing relationship with Garnati.

The FOP has yet to take any formal action against Garnati for supposedly interfering with the abilities of officers to effectively do their jobs. "

" Madblogger is right: Grayson Gile is a fantastic State's Attorney and a native of Williamson County. If we are fortunate, maybe he'll run against Garnati in 2012. Also, has everyone seen today's Herrin Independent or Carterville Courier? More evidence of Chuck's paranoid schizophrenia: a story about a perceived "big conspiracy" against him. "

" To: Martha
I live in Williamson County,and we have one ex-convict in our neighborhood who has been arrested about 20 times by our terrific police officers, since he got out of prison. Garnati refuses to do anything with him, maybe because all of Garnati's time is spent sticking his nose into issues that don't concern his office: housing authority, tax bill error, landfill, and who is running the local drug enforcement unit. Garnati is a complete "political animal", who is obviously suffering from some psychological issues, as well.
Legal Lesson for Marth and Spring Chicken: A public official can't sue for slander. "

" Martha you are absolutely right. You seem to be the only one here that has a brain. As far as most commented, uh, it would not be if it were not for about three people. As always these three people never stay on the subject. "

" In the event that anyone at the SOUTHERN is actually reading these posts... could you please EXPLAIN the header on your "MOST COMMENTED" portion of your AWARD WINNING website?

Your examples of the "MOST COMMENTED" are somewhat confusing (even misleading...) — After all, it says, "MOST COMMENTED."

And — (as of this post)

√ Voice of the Reader — 68 comments

√ Former Herrin Athlete files Title IX complaint — 55 comments

√ Voice of the Reader 8-26 — 40 comments

Troutman: Error is understandable
BY JOHN D. HOMAN, THE SOUTHERN
Friday, August 15, 2008 11:23 PM CDT —

That story... THIS STORY... has nearly 120 comments.

This is just ANOTHER example of what you say is NOT what you mean... RIGHT?

Is TWICE AS MANY comments make it LESS commented by your CODE OF ETHICS, your understanding of simple math or by what standard? Shouldn't that tab read more-like" "WHAT WE'D RATHER YOU READ(?)" "

" I beg to differ. Grayson Giles is the best States Attorney in the southern part of Illinois. He has integrity, and he's not closed minded. Nor do I see him doing the will of a few.

I don't see Giles going before the camera trying to influence the public on a criminal case. The FOP questioned why Garnati didn't hand the Dereck Wynn case over to a special prosecutor. Speaking of the beating, Ronchetto was on duty, and at Gas Mart at the time Wynn was beaten. The 2 Kyles, and Carruthers were the ones on the scene.

Heh, you really think that they're going to sue "this" newspaper? Their mouthpiece? Oh, and it's IP (Internet Protocol) not IT (Information Technology) numbers. No matter, I've acted within the bounds of the 1st Amendment and have not been slanderous or libelous. "

" HOLY-MOLEY — Martha —

Make up lies?

If THEIR documents won't do it for you...(?) will dash-board camera images?

You don't DOUBT some of this... BUT you deplore some of us for bringing to light MORE of this NONSENSE as it continually pans out?

You'll give up in a heartbeat, Saundra Gent and Bruce Troutman for their part of having to "dig themselves out of THAT deep hole" you refer to in your post...

But, you won't believe for a minute that the SA could have done wrong...?

How about Mayor Butler?

Did you know that the Mayor was disbared?

Bob Butler has been in office far longer than Chuck. Do you doubt that the Mayor and the Marion City Council have broken the law more than eleven-hundred times. Do yo DOUBT THAT because the SOUTHERN failed to publish that story too?

How about the Marion Daily publishing a story regarding the School Board questioning the millions of dollars in the City's Tif scheme. Still no story in the SOUTHERN... Was the MDR wrong?

Was the MDR wrong, too, when they reported the city being in violation of the Open Meeting Act 1,159 times?

Your problem, Martha, is denial. It is unfortunate, but it is true. Your hopes and prayers that people see these comments (apparently, because the SOUTHERN and other media outlets ignore the truth) are WHAT NEED TO HAPPEN. The more people who see these comments, and find out for themselves what these elected officials have done... the better chance there is to correct it for all of us.

And THANK YOU for wishing such wonderful sentiment for "our day coming," as you put it. Gee, what a nice warm and fuzzy feeling you conger up. I hope that you are NEVER faced with the struggles from these people's actions as some of US have been. I hope that you are NEVER put in a position where the TRUTH is your ally AND ranking officials, through their ability to wield power, fall behind beliefs that, "sometimes the TRUTH doesn't matter."

The TRUTH DOES MATTER, Martha! And, to clear up ANY misconceptions... It is the SAME TRUTH that Mr. State's Attorney must live by... The SAME TRUTH THAT each of US must live by.

Anyway — Thanks for passing along your thoughts... instead of "sitting back" as you say in your post... Why not get up and do a bit of research before you wish so much ill will for those who (oddly enough) have YOUR best interest at heart. When you find out from your research that these things ARE true... and that the SOUTHERN hides such truths from the PUBLIC... You'll feel sick alright... perhaps even shame, as you say in your post. But, that's alright, it took many of us a long time to realize that feeling comes from THESE people's actions. That sickness and shame SHOULD be attached to those who brought it on to themselves. "

" [Martha]

First, Lets get something straight. You do not know who I am and I do not know who any of these other people are. Please have your saint Garnati file a summons and get my IP. I could reall give two sh*ts. I would love for him to try to sue me for something I have said. I have only spoken of the truth. Thats right, the truth. I know that you are a strong democrat, which I was raised in a union coal miner democrat home myself. However, just to let you know, ask Garnati why he did not prosecute a man who was on parole for three weeks when he broke into my fathers house and stole three guns. The man was aressted with them in his posession and there were two witnesses. I can answer that for you if you would like, POLOITICS. My father had the wrong political sign in his yard for a life-long friend. So don't give praise to a man that will prosecute someone for a $20 bad check to buy food for their kids and not prosecute a gang banging drug dealer for stilling 3 guns.
And as for the traffic stop; This is not the first time he has been stopped. I have known of numerous times when Coo Coo's was in business years ago where he was pulled over for being drunk! "

" I have sit back long enough and I must speak out. All of you talking about Mr. Garnati should be ashamed of yourself. I think it is a proven fact that our Herrin Cops and State Cops are out to get Mr. Garnati because him prosecuting four cops that beat up a person and the pitiful job they did in the investigation. All this man is doing is his job and has done that for 24 years and will go down as the best S A in the Southern part of the state of illinois. I read the paper and watch the news during the day, NOT one time has anything been about Mr. Garnati on this issue. I hope and pray that he hears about these blogs and sues for slander and malease, not only the S I but all the people that their I T number shows up. As far as Mrs. Gent and Troutman it is common they tried to HIDE this whole tax issue and brought to their legal counsel the last minute and I would love to see them try to dig themselves out of that deep hole. If there are any resignations it may start with them. It is a concensous we know who most of you are and quite frankly you make me sick.
It is a crying shame there are people out there like you and that only means a handful of you that have nothing to do but make up lies. Your day will come either in this life or beyond. "

" Heh, you'll have to forgive me; I was posting under the influence last night. I did want to differentiate to the same old same old people who say we are one in the same, that you and I are, in fact, two different people; and we probably don't know each other in RL. Just because 2 people have similiar beliefs and comment back and forth on a particular subject doesn't make them the same person.

I sincerely hope that our government is held accountable for any wrong-doings they may have done. No one, that means no one, is above the law. When I say "accountable" I mean real prison time if the crime warrants such. The way I figure, if any tax-payer money was misused/misdirected/etc/etc, then the person(s) responsible needs to be prosecuted. It's no different than if they put a gun to my head and robbed me. Essentially that's what they're doing. Using the police power of government to put a gun to your head to get your money.

Why is it that I seem to be the only one crying out that government has just grown too big? They are in every aspect of our lives. We pay an outrageous amount of taxes (and most of them are hidden). To add corruption, is maddening beyond belief. "

" Thanks for the vote of confidence there Blogg... SOME of us ONLY WANT WHAT IS RIGHT. The TRUTH is working its way to the surface of all of this stuff... as the TRUTH normally does. One investigator has said that, "These sorts of (criminal) enterprises are usually VERY complicated."

These thing are.. and THEY are counting on that.

It is MAKING it RIGHT... RIGHT for EVERYONE... that is MOST important. Not ANY sort of recognition or anything like that.

The School(s) shouldn't suffer at the cost of these "Programs."

None of the taxing bodies should be made to suffer. When those entities suffer... WE MOST ASSUREDELY SUFFER!

It is NOT ALL THAT SURPRISING to find this paper hiding or avoiding the TRUTH.

I have seen with my own eyes, John Homan push away the truth. Heard him try to explain some of the things he has written. I know for a fact that very recently John was e-mailed an inquiry about his published statements related to the City's (Marion) award of a bid for a project... a story in which John acknowledged a winning bid awarded by the City of Marion to be the lowest... AND official documents CONFIRM that the bid WAS NOT the lowest. I have also heard with MY own ears... a SOUTHERN writer admit on tape to the paper's running of a story based on "rumors" they had heard.

It is a shame that these people who make up this AWARD WINNING publication hide behind a make-believe set of values... and then boast of their accolades and awards they are given by their OWN membership-driven Association. Awards of distinction (so they claim) which include their (now) award-winning investigative writer... John Homan.

Thanks to Gertrude's tip about Bruce Troutman and Saundra Gent, this whole "mistake" first broke HERE in these comments related to Homan's press release stories. The fact is, there has been far more discussed here, even from this paper's own convauded stories, than these AWARD WINNING writers apparently can keep up with. Even with the Editor's statements of dedication to the community and other hollow sentiment found in the self-gratifying story of the Paper's recent success from the (paper's) IPA.

While you've been busy polishing up your tin-plated awards — and patting John on his back, here's what your award winning staff have overlooked.

√ The City of Marion is exposed for 1,159 Illegal Meetings

No story in the AWARD WINNING SOUTHERN

√ In the past few weeks, official's and their ILLEGAL ACTIONS have been discussed and EXPOSED.

No story in the AWARD WINNING SOUTHERN

√ Unit II Schools have identified $11 Million in questionable Tifs in Marion.

No story in the AWARD WINNING SOUTHERN

√ Official's claim a mistake and cause third tax bill

SOUTHERN publishes press release... NO QUESTIONS ASKED.

√ BUTLER: "Tifs don't cost taxpayer's ONE THIN DIME."

Butler's Tif extention(s) cost taxpayers $614,000
SOUTHERN publishes press release... NO QUESTIONS ASKED.

Keep asking questions... DEMAND answers! we may not be able to do much about THIS tabloid's open policy to cater to their buddies. But, we can EXPOSE their buddies... and replace THEIR buddies by doing a bit of research and by demanding answers.

We may not be able to influence whether THIS publication wishes to hide behind the truth... or simply pretend to honor the truth...

But, remember, these ELECTED officials WORK FOR US... NOT the other-way-around. THEY ARE HELD ACCOUNTABLE — Don't be fooled by their ARROGANCE.

If YOU REALLY THINK THIS IS THE WORSE OF IT... Wait until Bob is no longer in power. It took 40 years to get us all here. And since 2003, the City broke the law more than a ELEVEN-HUNDRED TIMES... Those little secrets from behind THOSE ILLEGAL MEETINGS won't come to light for sometime to come...

BUT DON'T WORRY... It's not like they can just "extend" these programs another 12 years or anything like that. And, even if they DID extend anything they've done... It's not like they can ask us for MORE tax money or CLAIM that everything was a BIG COSTLY MISTAKE...

We WOULDN'T Believe that for ONE MINUTE... WOULD WE?! "

" From what I understand, Garnati would be pressured to resign if Saundra Gent and Bruce Troutman would go public with the truth aobut the tax bill issue. "

" [madblogger]

Going to have to disagree with you. First, if the cops had it out for Chuck, all they would have to do is set at one of four locations and he would be let's say "Get Hammered, Get Nailed". Or in other words, DUI. All it would take is watching the following places that he is in weekly drinking. Paulys Pub and Grub, Tres, IV's or for that matter wait on him to pull out of the court house and stop him. Remember, just because you have a prescription still makes it a DUI!!! "

" I'm guessing you are talking about Shaun Currey. I have a lot of respect for Loren. He, and his son are good people. I see Garnati imposing his will on Shaun, and others like Clinton Ronchetto. Neither are guilty, but Chuck needs heads to roll. It's funny, because Chuck finds himself in the scope of the police week after week. I've heard stories of the police looking for Chuck on a tip, and really wanting to bust him for the crimes he denounces. Case and point, about 3 weeks ago, police were given an anonymous tip that Chuck allegedly left a bar in Carbondale drunk. All of the locals were looking for him.

Hey Chuck, look out! Those that you prosecute are looking for the hyprocacy. It won't be long....... the truth will come out.

Apparently, "areyoukidding" and a few others have filed suit against our corrupt government. Let's hope that it's criminal rather than civil. I sincerely hope that "areyoukidding"'s endeavors are to solve the corruption at hand, rather than getting ahead in life.

Sorry, "Areyoukidding', I just want responsible government.

Really, I believe you are on "our" side, and that you have the "publics" best interest at heart. "

" imagine that.... this story gets buried as well as the Williamson county supports 1/2 of the bill for the fight against the landfill story. "

" Garnati, Garnati, Garnati!

What color is the KETTLE? I know you will say it is GRAY.

Was it not you who raised nine kinds of h*ll when an off-duty deputy had a seizure due to being diabetic. You wanted(used your title and forced) the State Police to write him for DUI with no proof. However, here you are driving around popping pills. You, of all people, should know that is a DUI A6. Just because you have a prescription does not make it okay to drive under the infulence of let's say xanax, or valium. And everyone knows about the ALCOHOL problem!!! "

" Hey "SpeakingTheTruth" did you miss Steve Green (the City's attorney) tiss-fit story... where he admitted (while NOT representing the City) he personally had the marionexposed website removed.

Green was VERY upset, and he explained that others (who were exposed by their own documents and videos) were ALSO upset by the marionexposed site which depicted the PUBLIC DOCUMENTS obtained through the Freedom of Information and Open Meetings Act(s).

For his admitted actions, Mr. Green gets to answer in FEDERAL COURT for his part in first amendment right violations... very soon...

By the way TRUTH... look for the new and improved, Steve Green — tissy-fit FREE — website to go live (AGAIN) in the coming days. "

" To: areYOUkidding - Why don't you start your own independent website? No will be able to force you to remove it. "

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Regarding the reports of the top prosecutor... was that the recent occasion which suggests a "happy time out" at a local Herrin Hospital?

Or, this most recent situation involving the State Police and his DUI pill popping circumstance?

Either way, don't forget... the DUI thing has a familiar ring to it — One of Chuck's buddies in the landfill derailment crusade is the Mayor. Bob Butler's legal woes (leading to his disbarment) included answering for his part in attempting to fix a DUI case.

In case you missed the earlier posts — OR — if you missed the City's Attorney calling My-space with his tissy-fit getting the (original) marionexposed site deleted, you may have overlooked the files regarding our Mayor.

ANYWAY — Here is Mayor Bob Butler's history —
There are a couple of, "Talking Points" which somehow you don't seem to talk much about... Mr. Mayor.

We found them to be QUITE interesting —

1) the lawsuit filed against Butler and Garrison (91-MR-22) — March 20, 1991 - Sept 24, 1991
when charges were levied by two police officers — for "rigging" a DUI case.

2) A little annoyance from the "Attorney Registration and Disciplinary Commission"

There was disciplinary report filed Dec 19, 1980 which had a few comments which were not so appealing regarding the Mayor —

"This conduct of the Respondent (Robert L. Butler) was unprofessional, unethical, and tended to bring the legal profession into disrepute."

"His conduct (Robert L. Butler) demonstrates that he is not likely to adhere to normal professional standards."

"One of the principal purposes of discipline is to PROTECT THE PUBLIC."

"Respondent's (Robert L. Butler) neglect of his own affairs demonstrates that he is not likely to protect the interest of his clients in the future."

Recommendation: suspension for six months and until further order of the court.

Robert L. Butler was suspended February 2, 1983. (For not appearing before the Supreme Court)

Butler was formally reprimanded for misconduct on April 29, 1983.

Reinstated (after appearing) on May 16, 1983.

3) Then a 5 count complaint was filed Sept 25, 1984.

There was a hearing held on January 17, 1985 where DISBARMENT was the recommendation--- But, the panel was lenient, and, "suspension was handed down to Butler for three years and until further order of the Court" was given.

After 3 years Butler could have requested a hearing for reinstatement of his license --- he did not---- so his license is permanently suspended.

(look for the NEW AND IMPROVED — Tissy-fit Free — marionexposed.co m site to go live ANY DAY NOW). "

" The incident involving Garnati and the traffic stop isn't gossip, it's fact. Don't expect the Southern Garnatian to report anything negative about Chuck, though. By the way, did you know that Chuck was taken away from the courthouse in an ambulance due to a "nervous condition"? This happended about three weeks, ago. "

" Err, I should say, I heard about a similiar situation a few weeks ago "

" I heard about that a few weeks ago. That somebody tipped off police that Garnati had left a Carbondale bar allegedly intoxicated, and that police were trying to find him.

Has this finally made the news? Or are you just making it known now? I didn't say anything as I only had hearsay to go by, and I generally don't propogate gossip. "

" [BREAKING NEWS, BREAKING NEWS!!!]

Come on folks, let's take it easy on Mr. Garnati, he is going through enough. I mean he is trying to keep his name out of the paper for not pulling over when a State Trooper tried to stop him last week for suspicion of DUI. Of course Garnati drove on and pulled into his driveway and took his medication for anxiety in front of the trooper and dash cam. Wow, I wonder if that was to avoid chemical testing. Then he has enough nerve to make a call to try to get the trooper in trouble for doing his job. HOLMAN, where is your version of the story? "

" Has anyone observed that Marion City Commissioner John Goss, one of the leading proponents of the TIF scam in Marion, is also the Chairman of the Williamson County Public Building Commission? It's Goss and fellow PBC Commissioner Gerald Kobler that are leading the cause to build an extravagant county administrative building. For years, we've been told that a new county jail was necessary for the safety and security of the county. Now, suddenly, it's a new administrative building that is the imminent need. Can we really trust Goss to be straight about the administrative building when we consider his ties to the TIF scam and his cronies that are getting rich from the TIFs? "

" It is strange that the SOUTHERN pulled the story related to their succes down... Why would the SOUTHERN remove the story which was published over the weekend regarding their accolades...?

The SOUTHERN was HONORED recently for their CRACK reporting... Quotes from the paper's story (which disappeared) included statements from the editor, Gary Metro... Here is what the editor had to say... you can decide for yourself if this HONOR was c o n t r i v e d.

"This team award is especially gratifying because it illustrates our commitment to reporting NEWS as it happens, around-the-clock, on our Web site," said Gary Metro, editor of The Southern.

"WE ARE AN INFORMATION COMPANY, NOT JUST A NEWSPAPER, and our online report offers the region's biggest and best mix of breaking news, video reports, sports and features."

Metro said the Web site is a major commitment for the entire staff of The Southern.

"Great teamwork throughout the enterprise is required for online success. We have an outstanding team dedicated solely to online duties, but our success also comes from having everyone participate in the gathering and presentation of online news and information," Metro said.

—WOW— Perhaps Honors for pathetic journalism could be bestowed to the SOUTHREN.

Metro cites...

——NEWS as it happens?!

——Not JUST a NEWSPAPER?!

—— The REGIONS BEST MIX OF BREAKING NEWS...

This Metro dude... does he actually READ what his paper publishes? Does he understand that his team he describes, best illustrates the committment of everyone BUT the SOUTHERN...?

It is unclear why publisher, Dennis DeRosset didn't have a comment about the accolades given to his tabloid... or the web-site's success. After All, DeRosset is a BOARD MEMBER of the ILLINOIS PRESS ASSOCIATION. It may appear unprofessional if the publisher announced that the SOUTHERN really ISN'T a newspaper...

Or, if he were to explain the FACT that THE SOUTHERN IGNORES THE NEWS...

Or, that the SOUTHERN is more like a clearing house for Bob Butler's examples of the news (and the truth).

How could DeRosset explain how these writers, his writers, are hired to bring the readers of the paper press releases (called news and stories) from the paper's CITY-FRIENDLY sources...

APPARENTLY, the SOUTHERN ACTUALLY BELIEVES that an award, presented by a NEWSPAPER ASSOCIATION (organized to toot their NEWSPAPER MEMBERSHIP's affiliate's work) makes them credible?!

To illustrate this point... the SOUTHERN's success story piece (now vanished) regarding their NUMBER ONE WEBSITE, also indicated that JOHN HOMAN, the man of ZERO questions, won SECOND PLACE in the "INVESTIGATIVE" category.

OMG —

It was later reveled that Homan's piece was selected from his riveting line of questions, like:

"Before we begin, where are the doughnuts?"

"So... this is the VA Hospital? — Why are there so many veterans running around here?"

"How do you spell, "VA?"

"Now, VA... That stands for...?"

——Yup, understandable why John placed second... Wonder what story John edged out for placed third place?

The shame of THIS newspaper is only overshadowed by their arrogance.

Publishing their story on SUNDAY may work for forgiveness at a higher level... but not for any award...

Teir story... now gone... ONLY goes to EXPOSE this publication as trying to toot their own horn while pretending to do a service for the community.

Congratulations on your WELL THOUGHT OUT awards.

Once winning actually meant you were doing your job.

NOW, as minion to the City and County's bidding, the SOUTHERN simply accepts the accolades from THEIR OWN Association based on the press releases and disservice they continue to trumpet by IGNORING THE NEWS and the TRUTH.

Enjoy your accolades and congratulate your staff for the bang-up job of contemptuous pity you have achieved." "

" Hey Gertrude...Since you have been "bored" and "tired" of hearing about the issues surrounding the City of Marion...

I have done some simple math that I believe even YOU can understand...

BUTLER vs. TAXPAYERS

$136,000.00 of a REAL ESTATE tax "FAVOR" as on PUBLIC record and reported by Sam Shelton and the Review Newspaper.

That tax bill was for SIX MONTHS which translates into $25,600,000.00 over the next 80 years (the term of the agreement or FAVOR)

$614,000.00 for the 3 TIF extensions or "FAVORS" which is $7,368.000.00 over the additional 12 years.

$136,000.00 Revolving Loan Fund "FAVOR" for the Mayor's Rail Road Buddy.

$7,099.00 for Kokopelli leagal fees with NO LIMIT.

So far in the last several months, the City of Marion and Mayor Butler has cost ALL OF US TAXPAYERS and TAXING BODIES over $32,511,099.00 in TAX REVENUES.

Over THIRTY-TWO MILLION DOLLARS!!!

That would be an estimated amount of... Lets see..

Based on the City and Coutny tax rates on file at the County Clerks, Saundra Gents office, befor all these "FAVORS", the taxing bodies would have been entitled to:

IMRF (County retirement fund)
$1,820.621.00

Road and Bridge Fund
$1,918,154.00

Public Building Commission
$747,755.00

Child and Senior Services
$139,797.00

Williamson County Airport
$516,926.00

John A. Logan College
$2,942,254.00

Marion Unit ll School Dist.
$20,381,207.00

Williamson County Fire Prot. Distric
$1,755,599.00

Butler has said "TIFs don't cost the taxpayers or the taxing bodies ONE THIN DIME."

You are right Mayor... It DOESN'T cost the taxpayers or taxing districs" ONE THIN DIME"

It costs us MUCH MORE!

It is costing us OUR FUTURE!!! "

" Sorry-not been on here in a while, but I saw some rebuttals to previous comments. Whoever explained the TIFs after my other post had it right.
Now on location. Why is it that Benton, West Frankfort and other towns along I57 haven't attracted investments like Marion? I still believe that active and forceful leaders make the difference. "

" To belay any question... I am not maddblogger. However, people in Springfield yesterday found it very amusing as I stood there, showing them all the information posted at the SOUTHERN'S "Award Winning" website. Everything the SOUTHERN and State's Attorney have ignored.

It is GREAT to see that even when the CITY is offering up YOUR tax money (Gertrude) to fight the landfill that people have not found this topic BORING at all...

Don't give up on these Tifs and the ILLEAGAL activities of the Mayor and the City Council.

Bruce Troutman is NOT out of the woods. VERY reliable sources have indicated that the Treasurer's name along with Bob Butler, Steve Green (and others) will begin popping up on a FEDERAL COURT docket in the VERY near future.

Don't spend all your legal defense money in one place Mayor. Maybe, if you ask us real nice, we'll offer to pay for your upcoming fees, too. "

" errr, she broke it on aug 8 "

" Oh, and it was Gertrude who broke this story on Aug 5, 2008. She didn't seem to be in defense of all of this then.
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Gertrude wrote on Aug 8, 2008 11:09 PM:

" are you kidding===bo emery man the southern should send you a medal for all the newspapers that you have collected. Man, you have all the answers don't you. Why don't we discuss your great 6 years in office instead of always talking about John Homan or Chuck Garnati. Last time I looked they still have their jobs. If you want to look into something, my friend in the treasurers dept told me that the co clerk and treasurer made an error on tax bills and they are scrambling around trying to blame it on everyone else. Are we getting a third tax bill? This is all our party needs its bad enough as it is. Check this out to all the know it alls and let us know if it is true. "
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Ahhh, so now we know. Gertrude has a "friend" in the treasurer's office. And she was worried about HER PARTY, not the tax-payers.

Sorry, Gertrude, I'm non-partisan. I won't fight tooth and nail for a democrat or a republican. At least, now, we know where your loyalties lie, and why you continually attack me and areyoukidding. Trust me, if the people that did this were of the "other" party, I would be just as outspoken. "

" true, madb. "

" Calling this "old" and "boring" is sad. This is a very relevant issue and needs to be kept at the forefront. I applaud those who have kept this issue alive and hope that something will soon happen to make these issues very relevant to everyone in Williamson County.

I have known for a long time about these issues. It is time for something or someone to step up to the plate and take down those who are responsible. "

" Not everything is on the "up and up" either. "

" not everything is a conspiracy "

" Brent Gentry, Bob Barnett, Chuck Garnati, John Goss, and Bob Butler are all "collaborating" to protect the elite class of Marion from the evil landfill owners and to ensure that the same people profit from the city's TIF districts. It's refreshing to see such bi-partisan efforts on behalf of the people of Williamson County. LOL "

" Oh ya!!

For all the bloggers that again would rather show less credibility by character assanation instead of attempting to dispute the EVIDENCE, DOCUMENTS, VIDEOS, AUDIO TAPES, THEIR ADMISSIONS, other NEWSPAPER ARTICLES (the Review and the MDR)...

And lets see... There was a website posted at myspace showing just a small sample of this evidence and Steve Green, the City Attorney, but "not acting on behalf of the City or Mayor." Had the web site "Shut Down" because YOU are NOT entitled to see the PUBLIC DOCUMENTS or PULIC VIDEOS that expose our elected officials.

You keep slinging mud... That's how politics works around here...

I've read nothing but facts and TRUTH supported by research and public records

..I commend these bloggers WHOEVER they are!

Really...

How you think that's going to turn out? "

" Hello Kay... It seems to that one who attacks anothers character rather than try to dispute the FACTS seems to lend MORE credibility to these "same old problems" you refer to.

And please feel free to read the MDR or contact any of the Marion Unit School ii board members...who in FACT, have through information and evidence discussed here in these bloggs,...

Hav identified over $11 MILLION DOLLARS of LOST TAX REVENUE due to these "favors" or..."Same old problems" you refered to...

Which includes these most recent Tif extensions and the THIRD tax bills!

As for the double space... I only assumed it was to make it easier to read and comprehend, due to the fact, our elected officials have made these "mistakes" or "same old problems" COMPLICATED!

I have NO idea who maddblogger is, but I commend him or her for actually reading the TRUTH and verifying the FACTS...

Also, I KNOW that maddblogger and areYOUkidding are NOT one in the same, and before you cast MORE doubt... I'm neither..
.
I know the truth sometimes hurts... But, to quoate your words...

"Sometimes it is better to be sient thought the fool, than stand and remove all doubt!."

Here is another qouate made by someone famous...

"One man can become a majority when he stands by the TRUTH."

You will find that quoate by A. Lincoln.

Demand ANSWERS not EXCUSES! "

" @Kay:

lol, that's your proof? Double spaced paragraphs? Wow! U IS GENIUS! I'm being facetious by the way. Areyoukidding and I are not the same people. Trust me, if I have something to say, I will say it all with this one and only name I have registered with the Southern.

The double spacing on my behalf is from typing classes. When I'm typing in the post box, I don't see a separation from the paragraphs, unless I hit 'Return' twice. That, and you should always start a new paragraph when going to another subject. It's hard to read a post when someone fails to use paragraphs. For example, your style.

This story is about the tax error. I've been right on topic about summing up how we had to pay more taxes because of the TIF error/adjustment. Name another topic where I rant about TIFs? Sure, I post about how big government is all of the time, and how there seems to be no personal accountability anymore.

Look, I live on about $750 a month, and that's working at least 40 hours a week. Yes, I have child support. Yes, it's my responsibility. You don't see me with my hand out. I don't have the government put a gun to your head and force you to assist me with my living expenses, and I know I qualify.

When it comes to the issue of lessening my tax burden, you can rest assured that I am going to scream from the top of my lungs to "STOP TAXING ME TO DEATH!" Doesn't it concern you that July 16, was tax free day? The day where the money you earn is for you? That's 6.5 months for the government, 5.5 for you. Yet, we ask for more! Give me another 1% tax on everything I buy; it's for the kids!

When you are in the position I am, surviving by the slimmest of margins, you will understand why I am hit so hard by new taxes, and how I wish my tax burden to be lessened.

The only way that is going to happen is by sending a strong message to our elected officials that we are tired of them spending our money without any regard to our needs. The best message would be to vote the whole lot out (Except maybe Owens), that way, the new crew will know that they are there because we want responsible government, not a government who does whatever it pleases to benefit the few. "

" Kay--Gerturde you are right on the money. Between Cozmo, you are kidding and madblogger same ole same ole. We know it is the same people like bo