For What its worth! wrote on Jan 10, 2008 12:50 AM:
" wow! it amazes me that we have so many experts on fire ecology in southern illinois-get a clue and learn your facts before you think for one minute fire wasnt a part of this ecosystem- apparently my four years of college at a forestry university lied to me! My parents should demand a refund, from the state university i attended, not the federal government cause i dont recall a federal person being one of my instructors!
you have your right to an opinion but i would guess the people you defame in your posts are educated and experienced and are truly trying to do a good thing for the forest! "
yeah wrote on Jan 3, 2008 11:39 AM:
" Yeah, Rick, people opposed to the Forest Service prescribed burn program are stupid. They are so stupid that they think the paleodendrological record for the Central Hardwoods regions shows that, historically, natural fire occured on average once every 85 years; they think that "undergrowth" and "brush" are natural components of the hardwood ecosystem; they think that the material which burns in a fire and goes up in smoke as particulate matter or is washed into streams as sediment would be more beneficial if it were allowed to naturally decompose into humus and, eventually, turn into the most precious commodity in the forest: soil; they think that the rabbit and quail populations are fine, while salamanders, mollusks, forest interior neotropical migrants and other species are in decline; and they think that the Forest Service has a proven track record of misleading the public about their programs. You, by contrast, are brilliant, Rick, in your infatuation with "clear ground level habitat." "
Rick wrote on Jan 2, 2008 4:00 PM:
" Are you people stupid? Use to fires would burn naturally and clear the undergrowth out making way for new life. Burning out brush doesn't kill it out completely to where it will not come back at all it clears out what is already dead so that when spring comes around and it starts growing again it isn't thick and full at the ground level. This is good for wildlife such as rabbits and quail that depend on a clear ground level habitat to survive. "
none wrote on Jan 2, 2008 3:46 PM:
" Shawnee National Forest managers have no credibility when they try to hype proposals like this. For years they tried to clear cut thousands of acres around places like Bell Smith Springs as part of their money-losing timber sale program. When concerned citizens banded together to prevent this, Shawnee managers came back with another plan to cut the same trees and lose the same money, but claimed it was "ecological restoration." Public outcry and litigation eventually quashed that incarnation of the project. Now they are effectively saying, "If we can't cut it all down, can we at least burn it a little?" These government parasites give worms and weasels a bad name. "
Carey wrote on Jan 2, 2008 8:39 AM:
" Prescribed burning on the Shawnee is not about restoring the land, it is about protecting Forest Service jobs. One bureaucrat in this article says they are burning now to achieve some mystical goal because "that's probably what it was like back in the day." Back in what day? He later says, "It's something that's been done back to Native American days." So the Forest Service is selecting some arbitrary date during human occupation of the land and saying that this regime is somehow "better" than it was at any other time. Give me a break. No Native American culture ever did burns that resembled ANYTHING like the ones done a bunch of government employees with drip torches spreading napalm around the woods. This is an embarrassment to scientific management and to fiscal responsibility. "
Joe wrote on Jan 2, 2008 5:57 AM:
" The forest has survived for a long time without human action. Prescribed burns? I love how this is thought of to be a good thing. It helps populate the forest with different trees that wouldn't normally be there. "making them a much more valuable to the balance of the ecosystem", key word being "making". It is a forest not a walmart. It already has a balanced ecosystem or it wouldn't be there. Where does it end? At controlled burns? Parking garages? Clearcutting? Let the forest be. "
Rick wrote on Jan 1, 2008 2:24 PM:
" I am glad to see the USFS is performing this practice here in Southern Illinois. The Shawnee needs this to be done to help the population of many species of plants and animals found right here in our beautiful little piece of the world. "